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		<title>A Social News Site That Can’t Be Gamed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Picha</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Digg]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Social Media]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Wikipedia]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[With all this chatter about people asking each other for Diggs, Spinns, Del.icio.us saves, Reddit votes and…Propellers, wouldn’t it be nice to have a social news site that was unsusceptible to gaming? With that said let’s take a look at Digg and combine its current model with new anti-gaming ideas. 1. First we need to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all this chatter about people <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/please-stop-spamming-me-for-votes" title="Please Stop Spamming Me for Votes - Rebecca - SEOmoz.org" target="_blank">asking each other for Diggs</a>, <a href="http://www.techipedia.com/2007/dont-game-sphinn/" title="Please Don’t Ask Me to Sphinn Your Stories - Tamar - Techipedia" target="_blank">Spinns</a>, Del.icio.us saves, Reddit votes and…Propellers, wouldn’t it be nice to have a social news site that was unsusceptible to gaming? With that said let’s take a look at Digg and combine its current model with new anti-gaming ideas.</p>
<p>1. First we need to look at how Digg votes are attained:</p>
<ul>
<li>Inside the Digg system:  via natural user interaction and by ‘shouting’ to your friends</li>
<li>Outside the Digg system:   via sending the story URL to potential voters via IM and/or email</li>
</ul>
<p>For this new system to work, we would have to filter which votes were attained inside the system alone. If a user were to access the story URL from an outside referral address, the vote wouldn’t count.</p>
<p>2. What if someone just creates multiple user accounts with unique IP addresses?</p>
<p>You could deter this tactic by ignoring votes that come from users who enter in a story’s URL directly without first accessing the main site. In order for a vote to be considered, there would have to be evidence of a bread crumb trail or a referral address within the system. If the user is on www.domain.com and enters in www.domain.com/story and there’s no link on www.domain.com to www.domain.com/story, the site would ignore the vote.</p>
<p>3. What if someone arrives on the site, logs in, searches for the story’s title, and then votes?</p>
<p>Voting using this method would work, but the weight of this vote would be less than 1. More like .25.</p>
<p>Implementing simple voting caps like this might ensure the integrity of the content’s actual popularity. The Digg community already does a pretty bang-up job at separating the wheat from the chaff but even if the content is valuable or interesting and deserving of votes, it can still be gamed. Once a story goes popular then a <a href="http://nowsourcing.com/blog/2007/10/22/flocking-behavior-and-the-digg-effect-in-social-media/" title="Flocking Behavior and the Digg Effect in Social Media - Brian - Nowsourcing" target="_blank">mob mentality</a> sets in. People think that since a story has received (X) votes in (X) time then it must be something that deserves their attention and probably a vote. Often, this exaggerated popularity can push even mediocre content to a more prominent position within the site.</p>
<p>However, preventing the exaggeration of a story’s popularity on Digg could turn off some users. Social sites that gain enormous popularity seem to have a good balance at appealing to both the average end user and those who wish to influence them. If the influencers could no longer leverage a site, traffic might drop, even while the improved gauge of actual popularity could bring more/new users to the site.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is a site that is extremely difficult to employ for marketing purposes and is not the medium of choice for most influencers. Nonetheless, Wikipedia was receiving <a href="http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesUsageVisits.htm" title="Wikipedia Stats Page" target="_blank">917,000 hits per day</a> as long ago as October 2004. Wikipedia was built on user participation and our need to document knowledge. Because of this the perceived integrity and value, Wikipedia enjoys great popularity.</p>
<p>Overall, improving the filters that maintain voting integrity within Digg may not only prevent gaming, but could also increase traffic by boosting the site’s perceived value.</p>
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		<title>Live: Wikipedia, Yahoo Answers &amp; Yahoo Sharing, SMX Social Media NYC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Picha</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Answer Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Conferences]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[New York-NY]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[SMX Social]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Social Media]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Wikipedia]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Speakers Lise Broer &#8211; &#8220;Duova&#8221;, Administrator, Wikipedia Jonathan Hochman, Founder/President, Hochman Consultants Matt McGee &#8211; SEO Manager, Marchex Stephan Spencer &#8211; Found/President, Netconcepts Don Steele &#8211; Director of Digital &#38; Enterprise Marketing, Comedy Central Matt McGee is speaking first Matt is going to discuss Yahoo Answers More about expertise and knowledge, not so much for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speakers<br />
Lise Broer &#8211; &#8220;Duova&#8221;, Administrator, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page" title="Wikipedia" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a><br />
Jonathan Hochman, Founder/President, <a href="http://www.jehochman.com/" title="Hochman Consultants" target="_blank">Hochman Consultants</a><br />
Matt McGee &#8211; SEO Manager, <a href="http://www.marchex.com/" title="Marchex" target="_blank">Marchex</a><br />
Stephan Spencer &#8211; Found/President, <a href="http://www.netconcepts.com/" title="Netconcepts" target="_blank">Netconcepts</a><br />
Don Steele &#8211; Director of Digital &amp; Enterprise Marketing, <a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/" title="Comedy Central" target="_blank">Comedy Central</a></p>
<p>Matt McGee is speaking first</p>
<p>Matt is going to discuss Yahoo Answers<br />
More about expertise and knowledge, not so much for selling products<br />
It is a simple and incredibly busy Q&amp;A site<br />
There is a constant stream of questions and answers, very busy<br />
there are friending aspects<br />
you can create a profile page with a link to your own website<br />
links are no followed<br />
Yahoo answers is for traffic building not link building<br />
21 million users in the US<br />
95 million users Globally<br />
Yahoo Answers condones marketing your products or services<br />
As long as you provide a helpful answer, all is well<br />
Spam is not okay</p>
<p>Benefits of Yahoo Answers<br />
referral traffic<br />
lowest bounce rate through Yahoo Answers<br />
your answers will be indexed<br />
crawl depth is great</p>
<p>How to use Yahoo Ansers?<br />
find questions you want to answer<br />
They have RSS feeds for every category on the site<br />
They have a search box on Yahoo Answers<br />
You can filter your search by the number of answers or date<br />
make sure you sign your name when you are leaving a question or an answer<br />
Lastly, do not Spam</p>
<p>Next up is Jonathan Hochman</p>
<p>Jonathan is a Wikipedia admin<br />
The amount of wiki traffic is huge<br />
Use wikipedia as a poll media</p>
<p>Marketers&#8230;please do not spam the system (don&#8217;t be a dick&#8230;exact words)</p>
<p>Top newbie mistakes are:<br />
don&#8217;t use promotional usernames<br />
don&#8217;t make copyright violations &#8211; pictures and content<br />
no conflict of interest editing, don&#8217;t write about yourself or things you are close to you</p>
<p>You can get blacklisted for spamming Wikipedia<br />
all domains that are blacklisted are made publicly available<br />
SEs use the data to tweak their algos<br />
A Google employee actually spammed Wikipedia and their IP was recorded<br />
The IP recorded will not be from the company&#8217;s firewall but actually the specific computer within the network</p>
<p>Your audience does the marketing for you<br />
content spreads virally because of loose copyrights<br />
participating within Wikipedia can improve your reputation</p>
<p>Next to speak is Stephan Spencer</p>
<p><strong>Getting your wiki edits to stick</strong><br />
develop a profile that has street cred<br />
add edits that are cleaning up spam not creating it<br />
fix typos<br />
practices that are clearly non-commercial are best<br />
you can receive barn star awards for doing a good job at moderating<br />
age and histroy of your account matter<br />
over time you could become an admin<br />
incorporate content edits when adding a link. It makes it harder to revert your edit<br />
communicate with the main editor of the article before adding an external link that you think is valuable but could be looked at with suspicion and removed<br />
when you add links, if you add them as references instead of adding them to the external links section they are more likely to stick</p>
<p><strong>Creating brand new entries</strong><br />
be logged in with an account that has a solid contribution history<br />
make sure there is no connection between you and the article&#8217;s subject<br />
have the subject of the article weigh in via the talk page rather than making edits themselves<br />
watch the page so you can be alerted to an AfD nomination or reversion of your work<br />
use lots of references, particularly ones that are from mainstream media sources<br />
references serve two purposes<br />
1. external links that will stick<br />
2. establish notability, you have to have great articles in the media that you can reference in the Wiki</p>
<p><strong>Getting over the notability hurdle</strong><br />
press release mentions do not help establish notability<br />
use google&#8217;s new archive search for finding reference articles<br />
an article with just a passing quote isn&#8217;t good enough<br />
get your PR firm to help you land an article even if it is with a small newspaper that profiles your company</p>
<p><strong>Protecting your investment</strong><br />
when admins and the new page partol see new usernames and page creation which are blatantly commercial, they are ordered to &#8220;shoot&#8217;em on sight&#8221; &#8211; Brad Patick, Wikipedia<br />
make firends, you&#8217;re going to need them<br />
Watch the pages you have an interest in<br />
Don&#8217;t just rely on the wikipedia watch function; use a tool that emails you when changes are made (trackengine.com, changenotes.com, urlywarning.net, changedetect,com)</p>
<p><strong>Playing the game</strong><br />
internal politics, reversion wars, ego trips, indiscriminate removal of commercial content<br />
www.wikitruth.info can detect changes<br />
There are other tools that can detect edits. Wiki scanner is one of them.</p>
<p>Next to speak is Don Steele</p>
<p>&#8220;Comedy Central and Wikipedia, a match made in heaven&#8221;</p>
<p>How we execute digital marketing<br />
DVDs &amp; other biz<br />
Mobile<br />
Wikis<br />
Social Networks<br />
Podcasts<br />
Email<br />
Viral</p>
<p>South Park has 185 Wikipedia pages<br />
Bono was mentioned in a Wikipedia edit pertaining to a recent South Park episode<br />
Bono&#8217;s Wikipedia page is now referencing South Park</p>
<p>Traffic volume is great<br />
Content is highly referenced and referred to on Wikipedia<br />
Wikipedia has become a relevant traffic driver to comedycentral.com</p>
<p>Comedy Central started editing pages<br />
Wikipedia warmed them not to<br />
Comedy Central editing was a conflict of interest<br />
Now Comedy Central has a great relationship with the Wiki administration<br />
Follow the rules and don&#8217;t be a dick</p>
<p>Next to speak is Lise Broer &#8211; Wikipedia Admin<br />
Suggests that all companies should handle Wikipedia entries the way that Don from Comedy Central does<br />
Lise has 18,000 edits and has been working with Wikipedia for around a year<br />
Lise sees a lot of people making wikipedia mistakes<br />
15% of what people say on Wikipedia can ruin careers<br />
Wikipedia is not Facebook or MySpace<br />
She&#8217;s now talking about <a href="http://www.squareoak.com/did-virgil-griffith-push-diebold-to-change-name/" title="Virgil Griffith" target="_blank">Virgil Griffith</a> who created the Wiki Scanner</p>
<p>Lise is talking about a commercial Wiki edit that went awry<br />
Some guy from Idaho Falls was spamming Wikipedia over and over and denying it<br />
He was selling Tea Tree oil<br />
He tried to login using a new ip and new username<br />
However the new user name was IdahoFallz<br />
Lise references Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam" title="WikiProject Spam" target="_blank">WikiProject Spam</a></p>
<p>People are constantly trying to spam Wikipedia<br />
Said something about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:No_angry_mastodons" title="Angry Mastodons" target="_blank">angry mastodons</a></p>
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